restart command

General_Bacon343

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As of recent, the server seems to be sitting around 10 TPS, and has been up for 3 days. A command to restart the server would let us fix these issues immediately.
 

Richard COle

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Shouldn't have to restart the server that often, according to the higher anarchy we were told everything was fixed.

Also, we asked Knas for a couple more Moderators and maybe 1 or 2 others that could have access to restart, or start, the server should it ever crash or need something done immediately. But unfortunately Knas doesn't want that.

So I guess if it ever crashed again and Knas is out of town. We will just be sitting here waiting for them to return.

Which that problem is why some have already chosen to go elsewhere. Maybe its just Knas and a lack of trust issue, I dunno. But it is something that definitely needs to be addressed and acted upon. Also, a few days ago it was asked if we need to start advertising again and getting some more people in the server. 2 - 4 people in there doesn't make for much fun on a server.

Don't take this personally, it's just my honest opinion. I have run servers before and have seen the highs and lows, and I know what causes the ups and downs of running a server. But in the current state of things, we aren't getting very far in Anembra.
 
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Kapten_Knas

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But unfortunately Knas doesn't want that.
Could I get a quote on that?

Anyway, I have been looking into an extra staff-member but I'm currently stalling that process a tad as I'm considering moving the server to a new box.
 

Kapten_Knas

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As I've mentioned before I want the server to be as self sustaining as possible.
While I'm mostly around I still don't want the server to require my attention.

So yes, there will be a solution for the current state - which at the moment isn't self sustaining to a satisfying level.
 

Fayettemat

Mr Geek
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Proposed voting system so that if more than half of the voting players after 1-2 minutes vote to restart the server, there's a restart.
This is possible to do, however, will be tricky and I'm not a huge fan of VTX (Vote To X) on any game server I've been on. There is various reasons to this and one of the biggest reasons is that you will get people that have a small issue and others afk. Say you have a network issue (not TPS) and you repeatedly do a VTX for the restart of the MC server a few times it could get messy for others who are going idle and then it's being issued for what ever reason. There's also the possibility for an upset or malicious user to abuse this as well.

On a side note: The Minecraft server we use does have a restart command that can be used (by OPs) but it can bug and what would we do then?
 
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Richard COle

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Could I get a quote on that?

Anyway, I have been looking into an extra staff-member but I'm currently stalling that process a tad as I'm considering moving the server to a new box.
It was the other day in the mumble server, Riv and I were discussing these things with you and you mentioned that at this time you didn't want anyone else watching over the server. But you didn't mention you were looking into getting another staff member that I recall, and nothing was mentioned that you were looking into moving the server. So this is new to me.
You also mentioned that most of what Riv said you were basically ignoring anyway.

So really I can't quote what was said on voice.

But what would be better to avoid the confusion is maybe come out with something here in the forums to let us all know what your plans are for short/long term.


Again, just my opinion but communication does go a long way. I'm not trying to ruffle feathers here, we have enough chickens running around the server as it is (that's a joke for those who have the chicken farms).

Maybe a server move is what is needed to a more reliable hosting service. I have gone through that before as well. Not trying to be disrespectful to Knas and the mods here, just giving an opinion and wanting to help come up with a solution.
 

Kapten_Knas

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I never stated that I did not want another staff member, I even told you that we always used to have more admins - and I also wanted one but currently had more things on my mind.

I also never said that I ignored @Rivkiin Shadows, simply that when I'm on VoIP I have a hard time focusing on what people generally are saying as I'm doing all sorts of shit at the PC - and once again I even mentioned the two PM's and the forum post I was currently juggling.

You might want to pay more attention or simply not twist my words.

Edit; perfect example of why I am not even remotely interested in discussing shit on VoIP, @Fayettemat.
 

Kapten_Knas

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But what would be better to avoid the confusion is maybe come out with something here in the forums to let us all know what your plans are for short/long term.
The plan is simply to exist and as I've told and been quoted on before, we're not going anywhere.
A change of box is nothing that will effect the content of the game/world - the content is decided by the community.

E.g. @Morbid Sally's post regarding a possible reset - which is a community-initialized and rather big topic for discussion.
As I'm awfully torn between the two decisions and therefore I have decided not to respond at all.
There's absolutely no point for me to reply "I have no idea what I fucking want as I want them two equally much.".

Simply put, the long and short term goals are to be Anembra.
 

Fayettemat

Mr Geek
Staff member
The plan is simply to exist and as I've told and been quoted on before, we're not going anywhere.
A change of box is nothing that will effect the content of the game/world - the content is decided by the community.

E.g. @Morbid Sally's post regarding a possible reset - which is a community-initialized and rather big topic for discussion.
As I'm awfully torn between the two decisions and therefore I have decided not to respond at all.
There's absolutely no point for me to reply "I have no idea what I fucking want as I want them two equally much.".

Simply put, the long and short term goals are to be Anembra.
Off Topic: LONG LIVE ANMEBRA!

On Topic: I was hesitant to reply to it as I'm split as well. Im reluctant to let go of my builds, but Im used to servers doing resets every major update or more often, while we haven't.

Off topic Edit: Thanks Knas for reading my sig :)
 

Richard COle

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Ok my apologies, "ignored" wasn't the word I was looking for, but you did say that you weren't paying attention to most of what he said, and yes it was because you were busy doing other things at the same time.

I am a veteran at running servers, and not just minecraft, I've run Battlefield servers, Farming simulator, Minecraft, and a few others. I know what works and what doesn't when it comes to keeping them populated and running efficiently.

As I stated above, I was NOT trying to be disrespectful in any way, just wanting to help come up with solutions. Now I'm not saying we need to go out and get a shitload more people on the server.

Quite honestly, having 50 people on at the same time is a bit annoying and troublesome. But having between 10 and 20 is a good number, and with the recent server crash it doesn't really help in getting people to play on it. But the extended down time does hurt the server and its current players. I guess some are more impatient than others and they leave to go somewhere else to play. That's their decision.

Now I don't know how Knas feels about keeping players here, and I know he stated that the server would still be here even if he was the only one logging in and playing. But what is good is seeing the creativity between members and their builds. With only 3 or 4 people in playing, there isn't much going on. But when you have 10 or so people in there and they get builds going, it's pretty cool to see the creativity that comes out of it.
 

redhand0421

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Alright, time to tone it down with the he-said-she-said. @Kapten_Knas and @nsgb have run Anembra/Tekkitopia/Seregon servers for a pretty long time themselves, and regardless of my expertise, I've found that they make very informed decisions based on the state of their servers.

Back on topic.
... and I'm not a huge fan of VTX (Vote To X) on any game server I've been on.
I agree. The main reason I suggested a VTX method was in attempt to prevent players from constantly cycling the server, but I think that you're right in that there are probably better ways to implement this change. My [next] most immediate suggestion would be to impose a strict 12 hour timer (so if the server has run less than 12 hours, a restart wouldn't be possible).

Another (potentially more effective solution) would be instead of giving everyone the power to vote a restart, we nix the voting idea and give the power to the Moderators. All of the mods on Anembra possess apt common sense to give things a nudge when (and only when) the server needs to be nudged. @Fayettemat is probably the most knowledgable of the mods as far as technical aspects go, and from what I gather, he's nearly always listening, be it in-game or through IRC.

My two cents.
 

Richard COle

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What if it was restarted on a set cycle?

Like every other morning at the first chance, it gets restarted and its running fresh for a day or two. Skip a day and then do another morning restart. Maybe its not needed every other day, but maybe more realistically, once or twice a week perhaps?

And this is something that can be done by a MOD so Knas isn't taxed with doing it every time, as I'm sure he is busy enough with other server related things than to have to be tasked with this as well.

Thoughts?
 

Fayettemat

Mr Geek
Staff member
Another (potentially more effective solution) would be instead of giving everyone the power to vote a restart, we nix the voting idea and give the power to the Moderators. All of the mods on Anembra possess apt common sense to give things a nudge when (and only when) the server needs to be nudged. @Fayettemat is probably the most knowledgable of the mods as far as technical aspects go, and from what I gather, he's nearly always listening, be it in-game or through IRC.

My two cents.
I had thought of the option of asking for the mods to do it but that still brings us back to my concern with that type of command in general:
The Minecraft server we use does have a restart command that can be used (by OPs) but it can bug and what would we do then?
As such what do you guys suggest we do in the event that shit hits the fan and the admins are not around? I *think* that more people would rather deal with 16-18TPS then to have a downed server. That being said when it drops below 16 you start to get a ton of noticeable lag in almost every way and it's really hard to play.

RE: Automated Restarts
The server should restart daily and used to around sometime between 6-8AM EST if I'm not mistaken, not sure what happened there and couldn't answer that as such. I mentioned that fact to Knas but as he's said he's looking at a move so I'm doubtful it is his top priority and I know it wouldn't be mine in this type of case either likely.
 

redhand0421

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I'm looking to counter issues like yesterday where the server had been running for 3 1/2 days, was utilizing all 4gb of ram, and running at 4-6tps. I don't think the manual restarts should be something commonly used, but for instances like this when something malfunctions, we can use that manual restart as a failsafe rather than a first-resort.
 

Richard COle

New Member
I agree with redhand on that as well, if the server is using the max 4gb and it gets down below 10tps, someone should be allowed to give the server a kick to smooth things out so it is playable.
 

Richard COle

New Member
However, I don't think it should go to a vote either. If the mods have the power to kick start the server at any given time, then they should just go ahead and do it regardless of any vote, if the server is lagging to the nether and back and causing delays to the gameplay. If such a command exists, then by all means let's use it instead of squableing about it here.
 
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